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Sunday, 4 March 2012
More about Glossika

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAdyAa4oHDA 

I absolutely agree with Mike Campbell here in this video. This method is the best one for learning to speak a foreign language fluently.  

I wonder if musically talented people have an advantage in learning languages? I think they might. Mike Campbell is a concert pianist so obviously has a good ear.

I am not sure about myself. I thought I wasn't an aural person but when I do listening, I don't too badly.

And I really enjoy the listening method of learning. I need repetition though. Lots of repetition.  

I really can't wait until I am fluent. I can't wait until I can read fluently too.

I should not try to learn too quickly.

And some vocabulary I stumble over, even the words I have done mnemonics for. I should spend more time memorizing the mnemonics.

I can't wait until I reach the point of accelerated learning. I really need to hear every word I learn I think. I need RECORDINGS.

Geez.

Where am I going to get the recordings of the books I want to learn from.

Mike Campbell does do review. I really dislike review.

Anyhow I will see how far my learning takes me. I think my progress is going OK.  

I wonder how his Korean is. It seems OK.

I feel like I would love to become fluent. I think in six months, I will look back and see that I've progressed a lot. I think repetition, review and practice will get me there.

So try and listen more. And do repetition. Translate. Test yourself. Keep listening.  

 


Posted by honeybearsmom at 6:30 AM EST
Updated: Sunday, 4 March 2012 6:41 AM EST
This method really helps me with my grammar.

The reason why "shadowing" didn't work in the past was that I wasn't repeating individual sentences. I was playing a whole block of sentences and repeating them block by block, not the individual sentences. It's the only way I can learn - repeating individual sentences. Once I've learned it aurally, I've learned it permanently. I had better do some visualizations and affirmations related to language-learning. 

It's working well. It's not such a pain doing blocks of four or five sentences. Before I was doing blocks of ten sentences and I was racing through it all.

But I can only do this sort of thing at home or at a cafe. I cannot do this at the bus stop or on the train or waiting at the bank etc. I need to find some activity to do at these places. I don't like being idle when waiting and when I do study I actually enjoy waiting. What activity should I do? I don't want to carry a lot of items. It must be helpful activity. I don't like flash cards so don't want to use that method. Maybe read a book? I got sick of studying International Learners book so I don't want to study that book. Perhaps studying Surviving in Korean? I am not that big a fan of that book. I really don't know. Nothing that involves writing. I think a vocabulary book or something would be suitable. I might get some easy vocabulary book ... I really want to do something during these times as it makes the time go much faster. I think maybe taking the Essential Korean for Business and studying that? Or I might just take one of the comic books ... Or maybe the Uri Nara book, but that book is really heavy. I really don't know ... I think just taking one of the WOW books ... or the dictionary though that's heavy. Or just take the Korean Grammar for International Learners and review that - but I am thoroughly sick of that book! 

Am going really well, I think. I really enjoy shadowing. I have finished for today. It really takes a long time to shadow just one chapter. It really does. I really like the audio in the Essentials book. I'm glad I slowed it down. I am getting gradually better. Just lacking a lot of vocabulary but it's improving. I am so glad I shadowed this book. It's better than KGU for shadowing. After this book, I will shadow KGU as I've already started that book and it has audio. 

I will see if the shadowing is better after I do just listening a few times and also do translations.

So slowly I'm getting there. What I find helpful is using Korean with Korean people. It really reinforces what I've learned.

So getting slowly better. My plan was a bit ambitious but I am so glad I am making progress.

I wonder if my reading is better too. Reading the WOW comics is certainly better than before. But newspapers are still very difficult.

Just do a lot of listening. I admire those people who have become fluent in Korean but there is nothing special about them. You can become fluent too. I think this is great. I am starting to get near that hump, which if I overcome I will find learning Korea a lot easier. 

I just need to slowly build up my vocabulary and syntax knowledge and repeat and repeat. I am improving in my intonation as well as I am doing so much careful listening.

I am very enthused about this method of learning. It's fun. It really is. 

I enjoy this very much. I enjoy finding strategies that make my studying more efficient and thinking about techniques and methodologies of learning a language.  


Posted by honeybearsmom at 5:02 AM EST
Updated: Sunday, 4 March 2012 5:20 AM EST
Good method of learning
Once you find a good method of learning, you can learn Korean very quickly. So the research you did has been worthwhile. As I have said, I find listening and shadowing fun. Trying to catch the sounds is very enjoyable. I will gradually start speaking with the right intonation and accent and pronunciation. But I need the sentences to be spoken slowly and I also need the sentences to be short. Right now I am working on slowing down the audio I extracted from a video, a historical drama. I want to use it as a shadowing material for an exercise. I doubt I will seriously use this for shadowing though as the language is too old-fashioned. 

Posted by honeybearsmom at 3:47 AM EST
Saturday, 3 March 2012
Pace of learning

I think covering a chapter of the Essential Korean book is too fast. I should just study half a chapter really. I still think this is the best book for a beginner studying shadowing. Anyway, don't lose sight of things. Remember that many people have learned a language using my methods. I need to follow a systematic way of learning. I don't want to learn greetings x number of times. 

Just try and get the audios. Make separate tracks and listen to them repeatedly until you can say them off by heart, automatically, without even thinking about it. You should listen to an audio at least twenty times.

And don't look at the Korean! Go by the sound of it. Just keep doing this for the next few months, and you should be fluent after that. That's not bad for three months of shadowing. And if you can't get recordings, make recordings of your own voice.

So forget about the resources on the internet. They're free for a reason. Many people can say a few basic things fluently but they aren't really "fluent" in that they can't have a conversation about more sophisticated subjects like a native speaker. 

So don't be DAZZLED by them. That's the trouble. Just use what works for you. 

The thing that seems to work for you is listening to the audio of a sentence that has an English translation. Then keep saying it over and over again until it becomes engrained on your consciousness.

Try and choose shorter sentences to learn. You can learn longer sentences later or build up shorter sentences to become longer ones.

And try and learn sentences that will be useful to you. Use mnemonics as much as you can for words you are unfamiliar with. And then plod through a book doing this, listening to the audio, not even repeating it but trying to catch the sounds. That's the way to do it ...

I am just worried about the material that I have. Most of the material that I have lacks audio. That's the problem.

Hey! I have an idea. Just download the audio and make separate tracks of the individual sentences and get the subtitles file and then use it as a shadowing lesson! How to rip the audio file? Hmmm.  The problem is that it involves too much work. And matching the audio with the subtitles is too hard. And they talk too fast in the videos. And the translations are too colloquialized. 

Just stick to your method and try and find material that is easy. I think my new list of things to shadow comprise:

# Essential Korean for Everyday Use 

# Migrant's phrase book

# WOW comics

# Making Out in Korean

# Children's dictionary

# Korean Grammar in Use (forgot totally about this one!)

# Teenage book

# Using Korean

# Surviving in Korean

I think this list is long enough. There is plenty of shadowing there. I just need the TIME. I can learn to be fluent in Korean quickly if I have enough time. 

Basically, I am learning like the FSI method which is similar to the Pimsleur method. Both involve mainly listening. It really helps to listen without looking at the Korean!

I might not be saying it exactly as the spelling of the word but I shouldn't worry about that too much.

It's going well. I am going slower but the sentences seem to remain in my mind more firmly.

I really think Glossika has a good method. I think that's the best way to learn a language - by listening to the words and repeating them. I don't think visual learning is the best way of learning a language. I wonder if musicians have an advantage because they have a good ear. I am interested in reading about this method of learning. BY LISTENING. I really think it's the only way to learn to be a fluent speaker in a language. I will have killer pronunciation after this. I really will. I enjoy this method of learning too. I really do. It's easier than the other methods. I think I can also do revision relatively painlessly by doing this method. I think I might have to do revision after all ... 

I have a lot of material to shadow and I'm picking up a lot of grammar this way. It's great. I don't think shadowing International Learners is a useful book to shadow. The sentences are too complicated. So far none of the sentences I learned were really useful. I think I went through it too fast and also the listening component was lacking. If there was audio, it might be worth shadowing. I'm not sure about this. Here and there there might be some useful phrases. I think I need to review things too. Now Korean Grammar in Use, I am not sure about that book. Is it useful or not? Don't know. It's been a while since I shadowed that book. I might try it using the listening and translation method. I think this method is GREAT.  


Posted by honeybearsmom at 11:55 PM EST
Updated: Sunday, 4 March 2012 3:24 AM EST
The new method is very relaxing

All I have to do is listen carefully. Just forget the other methods of study, especially the online methods. They are for more advanced students and those ways of studying are very disorganized methods of studying. 

The way you are studying is very good. You have the Korean, the romanization, the colloquial English translation and the literal English translation. You have the audio too.

I found that my grammar is really improving when I do just listening. I really need those audios but I will cross that bridge when I come to it. Don't try and take on too much. Just do a lot of listening and repeating without looking at the Hangeul.

I wish there was a book like that, that had 10,000 phrases and there was the Korean, the romanization, the English translations - both literal and colloquial. That would be great.

That would get me fluent, well sort of semi-fluent.

And then after that, I would concentrate on reading and writing. Can't spend ALL my time on speaking. After I reach the intermediate stage of speaking, it's time to learn speaking from mixing with Koreans and speaking 100% in Korean. i could attend a hagwon at that stage. And then simultaneously, I could work on my reading. I think I am getting better at reading. Got to work on the grammar book to get better at reading. That's the key to reading - reading the grammar book and reading newspapers. Translating articles and so forth. The speaking is less important to me, I think. It impresses people but I am not really improving my reading skills by that much except in the area of grammar and a little bit of vocabulary. Apparently, I need to read lots. Once again, I don't like online sources for my reading.

Some people learn a language using the piecemeal fashion like Talk to Me in Korean and LingQ but I definitely DON'T. So forget about those sites for the time being. You can look at them when you've reached a certain level of proficiency.  


Posted by honeybearsmom at 11:04 PM EST
LingQ and Talk to Me in Korean
No, I don't think I will progress very far with these materials as a beginner. Just forget about them and concentrate on what you are doing now. 

Posted by honeybearsmom at 10:50 PM EST
Studying methods

I need something structured and systematic. I don't know if I can do listening. I suppose I need to introduce that into my repertoire eventually. But I can't do everything at once. It's not my style. 

I think these things are for later. I will stick to my plan which is shadow Essential Korean. I am only a beginner so I can't expect to understand or follow these audios. These audios are for more advanced students.

And also when I practice with people later, I will get lots of listening practice.

So just step-by-step.

Go through the Essential Korean. This will ground me in the basic stuff. After that, you can try out the simple easy readers like the Migrant book and the WOW comics. You can shadow them. You can shadow the dictionary as well. Then move onto harder stuff, like the Using Korean book and the teenage book. Eventually, move onto the International Learners book. I suppose I could shadow the dialogs in LingQ but they are all over the place. 

I think I will use these sites when I am at an intermediate level. Doing all the stuff I'm doing should bring me up to early intermediate level with speaking.

Then after I've done these things, you can start interacting with Koreans in Korean.

So there is a lot to learn ...

If you get too much input you don't understand, you get stressed out. So don't try. Just know the stuff you are learning well.

Don't get too ahead of yourself.

What about reading? You have to do that eventually. And the writing too.

But anyway, spend several months shadowing stuff for a few hours every day and eventually you will get there.

So just follow Glossika's methods for the time being. I find his methods to be the best.

The ones who have become fluent aren't necessarily good teachers. And their learning styles might be different to mine.  


Posted by honeybearsmom at 10:41 PM EST
I feel discouraged.

I tried out LingQ and found that hard. I don't like the layout of it. But it's good for listening and for speaking. It's good for natural conversation. Talk to Me in Korean is good too. But I don't like this style of learning. It doesn't suit me. I like Glossika's method of learning. 

What to do? How exactly am I going to learn these things? The short dialogs are good because they have the audio, the English translation and the Korean as well.

I think I will use them for listening practice and shadowing practice.

The audios that have no English translation are pretty much useless for me. I can understand bits and pieces though.

I will check out Talk to Me in Korean.  


Posted by honeybearsmom at 10:29 PM EST
I tried Glossika's methods

and am finding that I am progressing very well. I am learning better in that the sentences get impressed in my long term memory better, my pronunciation is better and I am learning more 'naturally'. 

I will continue learning like this. I think also I will try and learn a few smaller chunks at a time. Ten sentences at one go was too much. I will learn just five sentences at a time.

I am progressing well now that I've moved onto speaking. I am picking up the grammar much better than I was before when I was just studying from books. Those grammar books don't give you a feel of how the language is used. Also, I want to move onto the Using Korean afterwards and see how useful it is.

But I want to try and stick to mostly simple short sentences with easy grammar because that is my current level.  That's why that dictionary might be useful to me. I am not sure about the utility of the sentences though ... 

And I need a recording because my pronunciation and intonation are not good enough. Have to study like crazy ...  

Using this method, I have to try and get the stuff recorded. Also, cannot go too fast. I think the maximum is 100 sentences a day. Beyond that, I get a bit confused and forget things.

I have to think about revision. I hate revision but might need it.

I don't want to spend hours learning things and find that I can't recall anything ...

Yeah, so got to try out things, test them out, and see how they are.  

I think Glossika's methods (it's not only he who advocates this method btw but I just use his name for easy reference) are the way children learn a language, and perhaps it's the ONLY way to learn a language (to become fluent in it at least). So ...

As an adult learning a language this way there are pluses and minuses.

I also think the teenage book is good to shadow. Anything with expressions that are used in every day conversation is good.

I won't do the Barron's one because that's a bit old-fashioned. The romanization is good in that one.  


Posted by honeybearsmom at 9:11 PM EST
Updated: Saturday, 3 March 2012 9:53 PM EST

He also says in a Wiki site that: 

"Foreign language research, learning and training. I promote what I believe to be the most effective methodology to acquire new languages. I use a process that makes active use of stimulating the hippocampus creating synapses for long-term memory, and a methodology for students to build their working memory more effectively. It requires daily training and I rid all use of visual materials during class--everything being via aural training, in order to more effectively stimulate the hippocampus. In discussion with Professor Baddeley about incorporating a kinesthetic aspect into his model of working memory, largely based on my experience with music, memory, and languages.

My methodology is largely based on the following process: for acquiring any new piece of information, whether vocabulary, phrase, or sentence, requires 5 consecutive days of training and repetition. No use of reading or writing is used during the training and I encourage students to do this in free time." 

I am not sure what he means by "it requires 5 consecutive days of training and repetition". 

Perhaps he means the same material is gone over for five days. It seems a lot of repetition actually. I hate revision. I wouldn't want to revise the same material over and over again for five days.

I will also look at a guy called Devereux's methods. He seems to have taught himself Korean pretty fast (in about a year) and is self-taught. I don't really like the method he uses not because I doubt it works but because I don't like too much of an unstructured method - it doesn't work for me. I don't like learning from websites.

But I will have a look at it. I will look at other successful learners' methods.

I really want the stuff I am learning to stick in my brain! I want simple useful phrases to stick in my brain and for new vocabulary to stick in my brain. I want to know what the romanization of new words are too. I find the romanization sticks in my brain better than the Hangeul.

I really don't like Hangeul as I've said. Essential Korean Everyday is a great book. Pity Business Essential isn't as good.

Mrs L postponed the meeting for today. I guess I will have to wait to get the stuff translated until Tuesday when D or Mrs L can do it for me.


Posted by honeybearsmom at 8:28 PM EST
Updated: Saturday, 3 March 2012 8:44 PM EST

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